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Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 14:54:00 - [1] Hello! A 4000 player alliance is defintely all made up of seasoned meta-gamers who are in it FOR the meta-game and don't believe these allegations. The issue was caused by a GOON PLOT, not by a state of trust with CCP that has withered away to nothing because of this kind of press release- "Wahh, you ruined our weekend because you, thousands of paying customers, were concerned." Now is it any wonder AT ALL that some folks might think there is bias?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:01:00 - [2] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 30/05/2007 15:01:45 Two last things. 1) Don't ignore BoB admitting to unprofessional conduct with the Devs. Your internal policies are insufficient. Fix them. 2) Hire someone with a public relations degree. While Kieron's posts are justified from your perspective, he is causing unnecessary anger and solidifying the loss of accounts (mine) with his whiny and self-righteous attitude. P.S. - Somethingawful forums accurately mocking Goonfleet: Goonfleet. "Carefully constructed". "Well timed". Goonfleet. ******* LOL."
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Taliesyn No alliance - not Goonswarm, not Bob, not anyone else - should be in a position where they can have direct access to a dev regarding in-game issues, be they good or bad. That has got to be the most retarted thing I have ever read on these forums, and in the past few weeks there's been a lot. CCP is so awesome a company cause they talk and listen to the community and the veteran members of that community, both because of their knowledge and because a lot of devs used to be and still are part of this community, it's why EVE is so damn good. And as it so happens some of the people they talk to are in BoB. BIG deal. If goons wheren't such completele and total asses completely uninterested in EVE and making EVE better, then maybe they would make friends too... That's your opinion, and you're allowed to have it. Just means that me and my friends won't ever play the game again. Of course, a person as high quality as you probably pays for enough accounts to make up for all of us.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Krugerrand Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Two last things. 1) Don't ignore BoB admitting to unprofessional conduct with the Devs. Your internal policies are insufficient. Fix them. 2) Hire someone with a public relations degree. While Kieron's posts are justified from your perspective, he is causing unnecessary anger and solidifying the loss of accounts (mine) with his whiny and self-righteous attitude. If anyone quits over this then I don't think the majority of the database (goons excluded) will shed a tear. I'm not interested in the tears of ****sockers who care more about their internet spaceships than being treated to a fair playing field by a company interested in pointing fingers away from their own lack of integrity. I have to wrestle with enough of that in my real life.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:11:00 - [5] CCP posted: Quote: Verification of this can be readily found on the forums of the people responsibleùor at least could, the last time we looked. This has to be my favorite quote from the dev blog, even CCP spies on Goonfleet.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Jonas Vance Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 30/05/2007 15:05:53 Now let's have a think about this: Alliance 1 - Apparently once got a crappy bpo from a dev. 98% of the alliance never even knew about it - Are widely regarded as some of eve's most experienced pilots and have made some friends in CCP through their long standing commitment to the game - Defaced another alliances killboards - Post in a manner ubefitting an alliance or general players - Knew a corp member was a Dev and didn't report it. *- Use dodgy* tactics and things that should be exploits (POS Bowling) Have admitted to having contacts with the developers that other players don't Alliance 2** - Launches a smear campaign on the whole of eve, using a fabricated story to try to damage the game through both internal and external websites - Has a new CEO who condoned the explictly racist, offensive and illegal images his friends have been posting on the forums all day, mocking terrorist attacks and ethnic minorities. I'm not even going to mention their earlier, famous 'signature' of a year or so ago - Launched an effective DOS spam-grief that caused the forums to be locked down and ruined the most recent posts of the entire eve community - Were proved to have lied about the vast majority of their claims just so sabotage a game they were losing, but which others love Wonder which one I'd rather be in? Leave, Goons, we're sick of you. There fixed it for you. you forgot a bit
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Krugerrand Originally by: Elmo Noguchi CCP posted: Quote: Verification of this can be readily found on the forums of the people responsibleùor at least could, the last time we looked. This has to be my favorite quote from the dev blog, even CCP spies on Goonfleet. He meant e-o forums, or maybe many of the other forums goons spammed.. Are Eve-O "the forums of the people responsible?" Are other forums? No, I would imagine that Goonfleet's forums are the forums of Goonfleet- since they're the ones PLOTTING TO RUIN KIERONS'S WEEKEND
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Shiny McJangles Originally by: Elmo Noguchi CCP posted: Quote: Verification of this can be readily found on the forums of the people responsibleùor at least could, the last time we looked. This has to be my favorite quote from the dev blog, even CCP spies on Goonfleet. Haha, my favorite is about how this was engineered to take place on a holiday weekend, when CCP would not be able to react as fast. Goonfleet's Goatseing hoards sure are organized enough to do that Oh wai-
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Solo Drakban Edited by: Solo Drakban on 30/05/2007 22:07:08 This is the official GoonFleet response. There will be no other response. We thank you for reading. GoonFleet Response to DevBlog (http://goonfleet.com/reply_to_CCP.html)
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.31 04:43:00 - [10] So, the problem is Devs love their game too much, and want to be able to fly aroung giant ships and kill things to, which means playing with Big Boy alliances, which causes a conflict of interest, right? This is the heart of the matter right here. CCP really did make a great game with EVE. It managed to stay fun for me about 20 times longer than any other MMO I've played. The problem is that being non sharded and heavily player driven, it's really easy for developers to pollute the waters in a way that drastically affects the playerbase. I think that of all the dev largesse going on, only an infinitesmal fraction of it is outright t20 style abuse of game mechanics. I think a lot more of it is stuff that seems harmless to the dev in question, he's just trying to help out his e-brosefs. Even something as simple as explaining how to do X to his corpmates can give them an unfair advantage due to developer level knowledge of game mechanics past, present, and future. Unless CCP can totally divorce their developers and GMs from the player population at large, this problem will never go away.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:50:00 - [11] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 31/05/2007 05:50:07 Originally by: Gladia Horusthu OK,I have a question. Why is it everyone assumes that Dianabolic was telling the truth about his connections to CCP devs? Why reason did he have to lie? He was engaged in a portion of serious discussion in the middle of a thread where people were ****ed but still trying to really talk. He went to great lengths to explain why the contact that he had was okay- it was only to old friends who had left Reikoku to go join CCP. His intention was to show that, well, yeah- of course a lot of old players have Dev contacts, and that's perfectly normal. What it really highlights is an overarching problem where this can possibly be viewed as okay and it was so normal to Dianabolic that he thought it was advisable to post in a thread baying for CCP's and to a lesser extent, BoB's blood. THAT'S how normal it is to BoB- it is so innocuous and innocent that it can be freely admitted to, even though in any situation but EVE it would be gross misbehavior by the Devs in question. Also, Dianabolic can troll better than that, we've all seen it.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:57:00 - [12] Put yourself in our shoes. Quote: You're talking about something that happened ages ago, has already been dealt with and had dire concequences, What consequences? Quote: and CCP has openly said they don't condone this sort of behavior, Why should we believe them? Quote: this was ages ago, it's over..it's done with. Why? Not every issue has been addressed. The issues at hand have been addressed in an insulting and dismissive manner.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:13:00 - [13] Originally by: DB Preacher Proficient Short Tanto dbp Why would you admit that your Tanto is short, even if you are proficient with it?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Frabala See the first screenshot of the dev blog. It clearly shows two of the charactes in "solar system" and not in stations. The incident supposedly happened during a siege in Immensea and the character at the time of the petition is docked back in Delve, probably a lot after the incident, just to justify the actions already taken. A detailed mention of the timeline, like what time the volunteer was banned and at what time the petition was made, would be very easy to find out. I think we already know 100% that Admiral whatever, has direct contact with friends in BoB, if he isn't himself in BoB, as proven also by him being 5-10 minutes after the D2 Titan kill in local, to mark the spot. Good catch. That is rather questionable to have all three characters docked if the whole mess went down while in space and while the ISD guy was orbiting the group. The idea of a petition filed well after the fact is looking more and more likely tbh. There's no time stamp on any of those...where are you guys seeing it?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 31/05/2007 08:37:30 Originally by: Ammoina These three have timestamps http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Sharkbait_email01.jpg http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Sharkbait_email02.jpg http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Sharkbait_email03.jpg This one was cut off so that the timestamp does not show http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Sharkbait_petition.jpg I am making no claims or allegations as to what that may mean. The three are emails and the 4th is a petition. The other petitions further up the page don't have time stamps either. I think CCP is not doing a good enough job here and their customer service is simply unacceptable, but when you make up stuff this obvious you further the reasons that they can use as excuses for ignoring the real issues.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Heroldyn i care less about the allegations themselves than i care about how ccp is reacting to them. Reading the relevant dev-blogs concerning theese and prior concerns (including thoose proven true) makes me feel sick. I play eve a little over a year now and i dont know alot about kieron and arkanon and what they did prior to my existence in this game, but thoose statements published here look very unproffessional to me. CPP gets through with this tho, because people have that interesting misconception of computer game developers being some kinds of gods that their customers have to pray to. i wonder when was the last time you went to your local bakery and fell on your knews infront of the baker telling him how much you love his bread and that its the best bread you've ever eaten... .. and then.. after a few weeks, when you buy another bread you notice it kinda smells weired and your told "wtf, thats how our bread smells like ! if you dont like that, choose another bakery" and half of the other customers in the bakery cheer to that and tell you to f*** o*. Hahahaha this is awesome

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